john heilemann made a good point, tweeted about the consultants say watch with saundoff. there was in the body language, in the way they engaged, it was -- >> neither connected to the material or the moment. then you have the contrast of mitt romney who seemed loose and in the moment. >> he had the least to lose. mitt romney comes into the game, so to speak, not expected to do well, back against the wall, and therefore he's free to throw darts, you know, and see what lands. but the point is this as well, obama has just been subject to the fox news treatment of angry black man again. le a lest we pretend, i can't come off too vigorous became it will be like i'm an angry black man, mitt romney will be a vigorously engaged man able to play to his strengths. >> we're going to unpack that thesis of the angry black man and what the president did or did not do. we have to go to break. we have to let savannah go. >> it's dinner time for me. its cocktail hour for nbc's savannah guthrie. >> coming up, we'll get into governor romney's tax plan disco, what a difference a day makes. f